Sunday, July 13, 2008

Pisseth on the Wall by Steven L. Anderson

This is a Real Pastor?!?!

I have visited this church's website and found some odd stuff. First is there Doctrinal Statement.

Doctrinal Statement

We believe that the King James Bible is the word of God without error.

We believe all Scripture was given by inspiration of God, and that God also promised to preserve his word. Divine inspiration is of no value to Christians without God's promise of preservation.

We believe that salvation is by grace through faith. Being born again by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the only requirement for salvation.

We believe that Jesus is God, and that Jesus Christ was begotten by the Holy Ghost of the virgin Mary.

We believe only in the local church and not in a universal church.

We reject the teaching of Calvinism and believe that God wants everyone to be saved.

We are Non-dispensational.

We believe that life begins at conception (fertilization) and reject all forms of abortion including surgical abortion, "morning-after" pills, IVF (In Vitro Fertilization), birth control pills, and all other processes that end life after conception.

We oppose worldliness, modernism, formalism, and liberalism.

I have removed some things for brevities sake, but this is the weirdest SOF I have ever seen. I was sitting here thinking why is this so odd? then the website told me...
Pastor Anderson holds no college degree
Oh, that explains it, wonder why the guy can't exegete his way out of a paper bag??? Wonder why he feels that one of the most inferior biblical texts (1611 KJV) is the only truly inspired word of God? Wonder why He preaches sermons about real men who "piss" standing up? Because He has received no training on what it is to be a pastor. He is an Average Joe, who has Memorized a lot of the bible, over 100 Chapters according to the church's website, who has no idea of how to practice good hermeneutics. In fact, the Guy says that that Bible College is Blasphemous!! This man is clearly clueless about theology. I pray that God would get him into a good Sem.

Pastor Anderson

I understand you are a KJV Only Guy... But I have to say that Your argument is full of logical errors and frankly is just unconvincing. But Just for fun, I will give an error in the KJV, to prove that it isn't the perfect text....

Hebrews 4:8 says For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. in the 1611 KVJ.
Hebrews 4:8 says For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. in the ESV.

Jesus did give us rest, and no other day was spoken of... We find rest and fulfill the 4th commandment by being Christians and Having rest in Jesus.

A real Man doesn't need to stand up to Pee, a Real man needs to Love Jesus, and Understand Theology.


Andy said...

As promised, you posted Pastor Anderson's sermon! I appreciated your comments...although I would take issue with your contention that Mr. Anderson's poor exegesis is the result of no seminary training. Mark Driscoll planted and pastored Mars Hill for many years with no Bible college or seminary training. I believe he has yet to complete such a degree. Other preachers such as Charles Spurgeon, DL Moody, and AW Tozer had no formal pastoral training. Were these men not qualified to pastor and preach? There are many "average joes" who have a deep passion to shepherd God's people and teach His word, including many good elders and and I. Let us not forget that God quite enjoys working through the average joes of the world.
I believe it would be prudent to qualify based upon calling and competance rather than worldly standards. After all, Rob Bell holds an Mdiv!

Ken Cook said...

I understand your contention, but allow me to defend my statement. First, while spurgeon didn't have a degree he was VERY well read in puritan theology. Also the Church was different then, I believe that your average member was taught exegesis... And while I do strongly believe in Formal Training, My comments were more born from the idea that Pastor Anderson believes Formal Theological Education to be Sin ala his article on that very topic. (
Also, while someone like Rob Bell holds a degree it is from Fuller Theological Sem. Which rejects full biblical inerracy... Even still I would think that Rob Bell Could or should be able to exegete a text better then this guy... maybe not.

Andy said...

Perhaps the issue, then, is not a pastor's lack of formal scholastic training, but that our modern churches lack the vision or resources to equip the flock adequately. I believe it comes back to discipleship.

Ken Cook said...

Well, I agree and disagree. If the local church trained men to be leaders then they would have a form of formal training. I think that this Pastor Anderson does need some formal training as it is clear that he is in error in several areas, such as KJV only, his stance on Bible Colleges, His view of the Local and Universal Church.

Anonymous said...

You sure have to give me a better Scripture reference to prove to me the KJV isn't the best Bible out there in circulation still.
How about all the scores of passages flawed in the newer versions? 1 Timothy 3:16, Revelation 1:11, 1 John 5:7, Mark 9:46, Mark 6:11, Acts 8:37, etc etc etc
I challenge you to read D.A Waite's book defending the KJ Bible, and see if it doesn't stir you up a bit. Especially the superior theology section.

I dare ya...

Gino V said...

you documented the following verses: 1 Timothy 3:16, Revelation 1:11, 1 John 5:7, Mark 9:46, Mark 6:11, and Acts 8:37 as being erroneous, but you do not document how these verses are erroneously translated. I can document specifically many others in the KJV that are erroneous. in John 3:16, the favorite verse of most christians, the KJV reads "only begotten son" but history and the rest of scripture teaches us that believing that Jesus was begotten of the father and not incarnated miraculously by the father is heretical. Thus this reading of John 3:16 of Jesus being begotten (implied by the father) is erroneous. Also the greek word used for "Only Begotten" is "mnongenes" meaning "one of a kind, original, there is nothing like this thing it is so 'one'" and thus the modern translation is superior reading " and only son...". If you would be so kind as to further document the errors of the verses you provided as erroneously translated by modern versions, (really I'll try and keep this easy for you, pick a version that's modern and that you think is erroneous that is not a paraphrase (i.e. it's cheating to use the message) and demonstrate that that modern version's readings of the verses are erroneous. Thank you.