Thursday, January 22, 2009

Conversation with a Mormon -- The Fall of Man

This is a pick-up conversation from a discussion I had with a mormon fellow, Andrew. The topic is moving from Harmatology, to the fall of man. Most people who study Mormonism are aware of there concept of "falling-up"

Ken:
So, based on that, wouldn't it be better to not tell anyone that anything is sin, so that they arnt held accountable for it?
Andrew:
No... because then we would never learn anything... we would be as naive and innocent as we were before we were born. God wants us to experience, learn, grow, make mistakes and then correct ourselves, so that we can grow and become like him.
Andrew:
If we never have to choose between right and wrong, we can never grow, learn, or change for the better.
Andrew:
We become better when we learn how to make right decisions.
Ken:
But didn't God Make adam and eve without the knowledge of sin, and say it was "very Good"
Ken:
what is better then Very Good?
Andrew:
Well Im sure he was pleased with their physical bodies that he created... his creation (their bodies) is what he called "very good"
Ken:
wouldn't there character and nature also be included in his creation?
Andrew:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?type=references&last=2+Nephi+2%3A23-25&help=&ro=checked&search=2+Nephi+2%3A22%0D%0A-25&do=Search&show=%0D%0A%0D%0A
Andrew:
These scriptures help in understanding what they were like in the garden of eden.
Ken:
So would you say that Sin Entering the World was a good thing?
Andrew:
In the long run it is.

Andrew:
Thanks to the Atonement of Christ.
Andrew:
this article might help:
Andrew:
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=89e2de3e3559b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1
Andrew:
Im sorry Ken but I have to be going soon. It has been a privilege to talk with you and I hope I have been of some help.
Ken:
So have you ever thanked God that there is Rape, Murder, Adultery, Homosexuality, Bestiality, Pain, Suffering, Bitterness, Lust, Pornography... ect? Sense they are good in the long run
Ken:
or rather it is good that they are here?
Andrew:
Im sorry to have upset you. Those are terrible things that men have chosen to do because God gave us "agency." Those are unfortunate side effects caused by man, but if God never gave us "agency" we would still be naive, innocent children.
Andrew:
He's giving us an amazing chance.
Ken:
oh, don't mistake me for being unset... but it seems religiously backwards to have a form of closet approval of the effects of sin
Andrew:
Well I have to go now, but please read those linked articles and log back on again soon! God bless you

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